A Vegan World in 8 Years ~ Tim Gier - Animal Rights Zone2024-03-29T08:49:01Zhttp://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/a-vegan-world-in-8-years-tim?feed=yes&xn_auth=noTim, could you please explain…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-02-03:4715978:Comment:1228262013-02-03T06:50:01.716ZCarolyn Baileyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>Tim, could you please explain what part of this post you think is silly, or perhaps unachievable now? Do you think that speaking with people about becoming vegan is far more difficult than you thought in 2010, or do you have an issue with the maths? <br></br><br></br>If you think that speaking with non-vegans about becoming vegan, is far more difficult than simply presenting them with a moral argument for veganism, and expecting them to become vegan, I agree with you. Surely we must all agree with…</p>
<p>Tim, could you please explain what part of this post you think is silly, or perhaps unachievable now? Do you think that speaking with people about becoming vegan is far more difficult than you thought in 2010, or do you have an issue with the maths? <br/><br/>If you think that speaking with non-vegans about becoming vegan, is far more difficult than simply presenting them with a moral argument for veganism, and expecting them to become vegan, I agree with you. Surely we must all agree with you, or we simply wouldn't have any friends or family members that were not vegan, would we? <br/><br/></p> UPDATE: Feb 2, 2013I wrote th…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-02-02:4715978:Comment:1226972013-02-02T23:19:57.537ZTim Gierhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/TimGier
<p>UPDATE: Feb 2, 2013<br/><br/>I wrote this post when I was dreaming. Now that I'm awake I think it's silly.</p>
<p>UPDATE: Feb 2, 2013<br/><br/>I wrote this post when I was dreaming. Now that I'm awake I think it's silly.</p> a textbook case, I'd say.tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-03-19:4715978:Comment:248082011-03-19T00:17:19.336ZTim Gierhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/TimGier
a textbook case, I'd say.
a textbook case, I'd say. I wonder how many people who…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-03-18:4715978:Comment:240872011-03-18T02:52:24.795ZTim Gierhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/TimGier
<p>I wonder how many people who become vegan for ethical and moral reasons (i.e. they consider it wrong to use other animals for their own purposes) would subsequently change their minds and stop being vegan? To me it seems incongruous, in the same way that I think it would be unlikely a person who supports equal rights for LGBT people would change their minds about that. So, when I hear of someone who was vegan but no longer is, I have to think that they were vegan for their own benefit…</p>
<p>I wonder how many people who become vegan for ethical and moral reasons (i.e. they consider it wrong to use other animals for their own purposes) would subsequently change their minds and stop being vegan? To me it seems incongruous, in the same way that I think it would be unlikely a person who supports equal rights for LGBT people would change their minds about that. So, when I hear of someone who was vegan but no longer is, I have to think that they were vegan for their own benefit (health or weight) or for the environment perhaps, but not really for the sake of the animals at all.</p>
<p>For instance, in 1979, I was vegetarian for about one year, after which I reverted back to omnivorism. While I realized that animals were like me, my reasons at that time for stopping to eat them were more about <strong><em>my</em></strong> feelings about <strong><em>my</em></strong> eating them than about the animals <strong><em>th</em><em>emselves</em></strong>. It was only much later when I realized that it wasn't about me at all, it was all about them.</p> This inspired me, and became…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-03-16:4715978:Comment:235692011-03-16T09:45:05.345ZSam Hillyerhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/Sambee
This inspired me, and became my challenge for the year, here's how I am getting on.<br />
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Carolyn makes a very valid point. I have one friend who has gone vegan now, but only since her partner and her split. My other friend is mostly there, but does not want to be a burden on her family as she does not do the shopping, but I think she's realising there is no extra costs involved, so she's finding it easier :).<br />
I have another friend who says she would love to, but she doesn't know how because it…
This inspired me, and became my challenge for the year, here's how I am getting on.<br />
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Carolyn makes a very valid point. I have one friend who has gone vegan now, but only since her partner and her split. My other friend is mostly there, but does not want to be a burden on her family as she does not do the shopping, but I think she's realising there is no extra costs involved, so she's finding it easier :).<br />
I have another friend who says she would love to, but she doesn't know how because it would involve cooking two separate meals for her partner and her. She has tried talking to him, but he is Columbian and meat is a very cultural thing to him, and her words don't seem to be going in. Does anybody have any suggestions how she can overcome this? I have told her she can cook one meal, just cook the meat and the beans seperately?<br />
My grandma is the same, she really wants to but knows my grandad would never accept. i want to give her the strength to just do it anyway. This was my introduction to T…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-03-15:4715978:Comment:234492011-03-15T07:46:10.002ZSharron Woodwardhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/SharronLeeWoodward
<p>This was my introduction to Tim. On a forum I was on someone said that there 'was an idiot on a blog saying that there can be a vegan world in 8 years'. That piqued my curiosity (I like idiots). The rest is history. I would like to add that I have done my part this year encouraging & supporting two friends to go vegan. They in turn have a friend who has gone vegan with their encouragement & support.</p>
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<p>A vegan world in 8 years? What are we waiting for......</p>
<p>This was my introduction to Tim. On a forum I was on someone said that there 'was an idiot on a blog saying that there can be a vegan world in 8 years'. That piqued my curiosity (I like idiots). The rest is history. I would like to add that I have done my part this year encouraging & supporting two friends to go vegan. They in turn have a friend who has gone vegan with their encouragement & support.</p>
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<p>A vegan world in 8 years? What are we waiting for......</p> I know a few people who are a…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-03-15:4715978:Comment:236252011-03-15T05:06:50.284ZCarolyn Baileyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>I know a few people who are also struggling with being vegan because their food choices are not ideal, Richard.</p>
<p>If a person decides to become vegan and is isolated or without much support in their lives, it's incredibly difficult to learn how to live healthily and happily without the products they have always used.</p>
<p>I think those who continue to espouse the irresponsible propaganda of veganism being easy would benefit from a few days in the real world, with children, an isolated…</p>
<p>I know a few people who are also struggling with being vegan because their food choices are not ideal, Richard.</p>
<p>If a person decides to become vegan and is isolated or without much support in their lives, it's incredibly difficult to learn how to live healthily and happily without the products they have always used.</p>
<p>I think those who continue to espouse the irresponsible propaganda of veganism being easy would benefit from a few days in the real world, with children, an isolated location, little support from their spouse, and the hundreds of other difficulties many many people face.</p>
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<p>That said, under favourable conditions, veganism may be very easy. Unfortunately, we don't all have those favourable conditions under which we exist.</p>
<p> </p> Sucks that some people are no…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-03-14:4715978:Comment:233462011-03-14T11:48:28.819Zdynastygalhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/dynastygal
Sucks that some people are not convertable. Then you have those going back to meat eating, etc.
Sucks that some people are not convertable. Then you have those going back to meat eating, etc. Wow Tim, this is inspiring, a…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-01-02:4715978:Comment:161142011-01-02T18:08:27.000ZSam Hillyerhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/Sambee
Wow Tim, this is inspiring, and not the kind where you think "Yeah that's a lovely idea" and then carry on without acting upon it. This is something each one of us can do, I like it a lot, and will begin acting immediately. Thank you for your attitude :)
Wow Tim, this is inspiring, and not the kind where you think "Yeah that's a lovely idea" and then carry on without acting upon it. This is something each one of us can do, I like it a lot, and will begin acting immediately. Thank you for your attitude :)