Animal Equality: Pigs Brutally Stabbed with Swords on Pig Farm to Supply Leading UK Supermarket Morrisons - Animal Rights Zone2024-03-28T12:59:06Zhttp://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/animal-equality-pigs-brutally-stabbed-with-swords-on-pig-farm-to-?feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Roger,It was because of th…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-04:4715978:Comment:858712012-03-04T23:13:08.715Zvintagelovingveganhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/vintagelovingvegan
<p>Hi Roger,<br></br>It was because of the undercover exposes, both on pig farms, I haven't seen any other undercover work from them of this nature. I also noticed last year that they did some Peta-esque style demonstrations (in a state of undress) which again surprised me somewhat. Maybe it's not a shift, but a move in a new direction for them? I do still support them as I think they are one of the best organisations around who do give the very important message that to live vegan is *the* way…</p>
<p>Hi Roger,<br/>It was because of the undercover exposes, both on pig farms, I haven't seen any other undercover work from them of this nature. I also noticed last year that they did some Peta-esque style demonstrations (in a state of undress) which again surprised me somewhat. Maybe it's not a shift, but a move in a new direction for them? I do still support them as I think they are one of the best organisations around who do give the very important message that to live vegan is *the* way forward and to help individuals. Today they discussed the Iowa state gag, which again surprised me, concentrating on single issue campaigns, rather then in farming in general. For me, concentration on *one* specific farm and the gag order in that state I am unsure of how this is effective? Exposing individual farms may close down that farm, or make that farm make changes, but how will this help the animals' in the long run? They are still bred for slaughter and they will still suffer. This is where, for me, it becomes bordering on humane/welfare as opposed to the end of use. People could just go elsewhere, thinking it is *a* particular farm. <br/> <br/> <cite>Roger Yates said:</cite></p>
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<p>I believe that AE's claims-making is always vegan-based and anti-speciesists, meaning that they always contextualise individual cases within animal use as a general matter.</p>
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<p>Do you detect a shift - and where?</p>
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<p><br/> <br/> <cite>vintagelovingvegan said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/animal-equality-pigs-brutally-stabbed-with-swords-on-pig-farm-to-?page=1&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A85758&x=1#4715978Comment85758"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This is the second undercover expose from Animal Equality this year. I am slightly confused because I thought that AE didn't concentrate on the horror and abuses on *individual* farms but more that *all* farms were the same. No such thing as humane in farming, fishing, dairy and egg industries et al. The horror that these individuals had to go through is horrendous, I am not for *one* minute diminishing their suffering and murders, just wondering if this is the route that AE is now taking? Does anyone know? I did comment on a post they put up but the whole thread was removed.</p>
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</blockquote> This is the second undercover…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-04:4715978:Comment:857582012-03-04T03:04:16.516Zvintagelovingveganhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/vintagelovingvegan
<p>This is the second undercover expose from Animal Equality this year. I am slightly confused because I thought that AE didn't concentrate on the horror and abuses on *individual* farms but more that *all* farms were the same. No such thing as humane in farming, fishing, dairy and egg industries et al. The horror that these individuals had to go through is horrendous, I am not for *one* minute diminishing their suffering and murders, just wondering if this is the route that AE is now taking?…</p>
<p>This is the second undercover expose from Animal Equality this year. I am slightly confused because I thought that AE didn't concentrate on the horror and abuses on *individual* farms but more that *all* farms were the same. No such thing as humane in farming, fishing, dairy and egg industries et al. The horror that these individuals had to go through is horrendous, I am not for *one* minute diminishing their suffering and murders, just wondering if this is the route that AE is now taking? Does anyone know? I did comment on a post they put up but the whole thread was removed.</p> The article said 'could' cons…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-03:4715978:Comment:855512012-03-03T22:36:17.913ZKerry Bakerhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/KerryBaker
<p>The article said 'could' constitute animal abuse and result in up to one years imprisonment. Does not somehow seem adequate. I suspect a burglar would get more. These trivial sentences are frustrating and I suspect that only when laws start to recognise animal rights by the severity of the punishment will people start to perhaps get it that animals matter.</p>
<p>The article said 'could' constitute animal abuse and result in up to one years imprisonment. Does not somehow seem adequate. I suspect a burglar would get more. These trivial sentences are frustrating and I suspect that only when laws start to recognise animal rights by the severity of the punishment will people start to perhaps get it that animals matter.</p> A concern is that the Spanish…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-02-24:4715978:Comment:841482012-02-24T23:41:26.169ZKerry Bakerhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/KerryBaker
<p>A concern is that the Spanish authorities, as indeed must be in most countries, don't have sufficient strategies to ensure that these things don't happen.</p>
<p>Perhaps it depressingly just indicates where animals are on the list of priorities, and that nothing gets done unless the activists force it to happen.</p>
<p>A concern is that the Spanish authorities, as indeed must be in most countries, don't have sufficient strategies to ensure that these things don't happen.</p>
<p>Perhaps it depressingly just indicates where animals are on the list of priorities, and that nothing gets done unless the activists force it to happen.</p> I haven't watched this video,…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-02-24:4715978:Comment:841412012-02-24T23:12:16.951ZCarolyn Baileyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>I haven't watched this video, nor will I, but I think that many people who work in slaughterhouses are also oppressed and exploited animals. </p>
<p>I can't help but wonder what has happened in the lives of these humans, in order to allow them to act in such viciously horrendous ways. <br/> </p>
<p>I haven't watched this video, nor will I, but I think that many people who work in slaughterhouses are also oppressed and exploited animals. </p>
<p>I can't help but wonder what has happened in the lives of these humans, in order to allow them to act in such viciously horrendous ways. <br/> </p> Horrendous. It supports my s…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-02-24:4715978:Comment:842102012-02-24T10:32:56.721ZKerry Bakerhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/KerryBaker
<p>Horrendous. It supports my suspicion that people who work in slaughterhouses have to be psychologically damaged to work there. Pigs seem to be targeted for particular brutality which I'm not quite sure why that is. I think they are wonderful animals but I guess there is a lot of cultural association of pigs to unsavory elements. I do however appreciate that these people who expose the cruelty are so courageous. It must be torture for them to have to witness what goes on.</p>
<p>Horrendous. It supports my suspicion that people who work in slaughterhouses have to be psychologically damaged to work there. Pigs seem to be targeted for particular brutality which I'm not quite sure why that is. I think they are wonderful animals but I guess there is a lot of cultural association of pigs to unsavory elements. I do however appreciate that these people who expose the cruelty are so courageous. It must be torture for them to have to witness what goes on.</p>