Science Weighs In At Last ~ Norm Phelps - Animal Rights Zone2024-03-29T08:07:50Zhttp://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/science-weighs-in-at-last-norm-phelps?commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A149564&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI agree with you, Jeff, and I…tag:arzone.ning.com,2015-06-17:4715978:Comment:1502162015-06-17T07:27:50.957ZCarolyn Baileyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>I agree with you, Jeff, and I agree that Norm certainly was a great man! But, even if the two approaches didn't work together to end the exploitation of other animals in the long term, would it be ethically acceptable to ignore the well being of other animals who will continue to be used and treated appallingly into the future? If it was a choice of being concerned for the well being of others in the present time, or working to have them recognised as persons in the future, ought we ignore…</p>
<p>I agree with you, Jeff, and I agree that Norm certainly was a great man! But, even if the two approaches didn't work together to end the exploitation of other animals in the long term, would it be ethically acceptable to ignore the well being of other animals who will continue to be used and treated appallingly into the future? If it was a choice of being concerned for the well being of others in the present time, or working to have them recognised as persons in the future, ought we ignore their suffering now? I don't know that any of this is as black and white as it seems sometimes. <br/> <br/> <cite>Jeff Rosenberg said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/science-weighs-in-at-last-norm-phelps#4715978Comment149707"><div><p>More and more evidence such as that presented by the late, great Norm Phelps continues to mount in support of the simple fact that campaigns for the welfare of animals work hand in hand with the goal of total Liberation. Separating the two shows a lack of understanding of how animal advocates can best work for the interests of animals now and in the future.</p>
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</blockquote> Hi Jeff,
The study that Norm…tag:arzone.ning.com,2015-02-20:4715978:Comment:1495642015-02-20T22:35:33.937ZTim Gierhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/TimGier
<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>The study that Norm wrote about show that publicity about welfare reforms is positively correlated with a decrease in the rate of increase in demand. That's not nothing, but it's not clear that it's something that works "hand in hand with the goal of total liberation". I'll wager that it isn't.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Jeff Rosenberg said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/science-weighs-in-at-last-norm-phelps#4715978Comment149707"><div><p>More and more…</p>
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<p>Hi Jeff,</p>
<p>The study that Norm wrote about show that publicity about welfare reforms is positively correlated with a decrease in the rate of increase in demand. That's not nothing, but it's not clear that it's something that works "hand in hand with the goal of total liberation". I'll wager that it isn't.<br/> <br/> <cite>Jeff Rosenberg said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/science-weighs-in-at-last-norm-phelps#4715978Comment149707"><div><p>More and more evidence such as that presented by the late, great Norm Phelps continues to mount in support of the simple fact that campaigns for the welfare of animals work hand in hand with the goal of total Liberation. Separating the two shows a lack of understanding of how animal advocates can best work for the interests of animals now and in the future.</p>
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</blockquote> More and more evidence such a…tag:arzone.ning.com,2015-02-20:4715978:Comment:1497072015-02-20T22:17:33.009ZJeff Rosenberghttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/JeffRosenberg
<p>More and more evidence such as that presented by the late, great Norm Phelps continues to mount in support of the simple fact that campaigns for the welfare of animals work hand in hand with the goal of total Liberation. Separating the two shows a lack of understanding of how animal advocates can best work for the interests of animals now and in the future.</p>
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<p>More and more evidence such as that presented by the late, great Norm Phelps continues to mount in support of the simple fact that campaigns for the welfare of animals work hand in hand with the goal of total Liberation. Separating the two shows a lack of understanding of how animal advocates can best work for the interests of animals now and in the future.</p>
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