Vegan Supplementation. - Animal Rights Zone2024-03-29T06:07:32Zhttp://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/vegan-supplementation?groupUrl=vegan-buddies&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A86222&xg_source=activity&groupId=4715978%3AGroup%3A82387&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI think this is a good articl…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-09:4715978:Comment:860582012-03-09T02:25:06.687Zred doghttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/reddog
<p>I think this is a good article to read: <a href="http://veganhealth.org/b12/natural">http://veganhealth.org/b12/natural</a></p>
<p>I think this is a good article to read: <a href="http://veganhealth.org/b12/natural">http://veganhealth.org/b12/natural</a></p> I agree, it's better to take…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-08:4715978:Comment:860512012-03-08T23:34:14.878ZKit Kathttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/KitKat
<p>I agree, it's better to take the supplements. Not not I ever have, and I'm not deficient, but since I'm turning 50 this year I guess it's time. <br></br> <br></br> <cite>red dog said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/vegan-supplementation?groupUrl=vegan-buddies&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A86148&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4715978Comment86046"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>If by "honest" you mean referring people to the most reliable sources of…</p>
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<p>I agree, it's better to take the supplements. Not not I ever have, and I'm not deficient, but since I'm turning 50 this year I guess it's time. <br/> <br/> <cite>red dog said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/vegan-supplementation?groupUrl=vegan-buddies&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A86148&xg_source=msg_com_gr_forum#4715978Comment86046"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>If by "honest" you mean referring people to the most reliable sources of information available, I agree 100 percent. I cringe when I see misinformation and questionable claims associated with vegan nutrition. And that's a really important point you make about deficiencies among nonvegans ... nowadays dietitians recommend B-12 supplements for everyone over 50 regardless of what they eat. I've been lazy for years at a time when it comes to B-12 and I don't think it did any harm, but knowing what I know now I make a point of taking it regularly. I think it's also important to point out that access to fortified foods differs from country to country, and not everyone eats fortified foods even in countries where it is available. I'm glad to hear (from the podcast) that Lynne Yates is healthy without B-12 supplements but that doesn't make it good advice for the majority of people.</p>
<p><br/><cite>Kit Kat said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/vegan-supplementation?groupUrl=vegan-buddies&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A86222&xg_source=activity&groupId=4715978%3AGroup%3A82387#4715978Comment86222"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think it's important to be honest with people. They'll find out anyway, and then wonder if you'd hidden other things from them as well. For me the point is that yes, it's probabaly not a bad idea to take B12 supplements since as a vegan you run the risk of becoming deficient if you're not extremely diligent about your diet. I would add though, that non-vegans are often also deficient in certain nutrients, as they too, tend not to be careful enough about following balanced diet.</p>
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</blockquote> If by "honest" you mean refer…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-08:4715978:Comment:860462012-03-08T06:37:19.678Zred doghttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/reddog
<p>If by "honest" you mean referring people to the most reliable sources of information available, I agree 100 percent. I cringe when I see misinformation and questionable claims associated with vegan nutrition. And that's a really important point you make about deficiencies among nonvegans ... nowadays dietitians recommend B-12 supplements for everyone over 50 regardless of what they eat. I've been lazy for years at a time when it comes to B-12 and I don't think it did any harm, but knowing…</p>
<p>If by "honest" you mean referring people to the most reliable sources of information available, I agree 100 percent. I cringe when I see misinformation and questionable claims associated with vegan nutrition. And that's a really important point you make about deficiencies among nonvegans ... nowadays dietitians recommend B-12 supplements for everyone over 50 regardless of what they eat. I've been lazy for years at a time when it comes to B-12 and I don't think it did any harm, but knowing what I know now I make a point of taking it regularly. I think it's also important to point out that access to fortified foods differs from country to country, and not everyone eats fortified foods even in countries where it is available. I'm glad to hear (from the podcast) that Lynne Yates is healthy without B-12 supplements but that doesn't make it good advice for the majority of people.</p>
<p><br/><cite>Kit Kat said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/vegan-supplementation?groupUrl=vegan-buddies&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A86222&xg_source=activity&groupId=4715978%3AGroup%3A82387#4715978Comment86222"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>I think it's important to be honest with people. They'll find out anyway, and then wonder if you'd hidden other things from them as well. For me the point is that yes, it's probabaly not a bad idea to take B12 supplements since as a vegan you run the risk of becoming deficient if you're not extremely diligent about your diet. I would add though, that non-vegans are often also deficient in certain nutrients, as they too, tend not to be careful enough about following balanced diet.</p>
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</blockquote> Tina, can you support your st…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-08:4715978:Comment:861482012-03-08T06:16:41.058Zred doghttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/reddog
<p>Tina, can you support your statements? Where are you getting your information?<br></br><br></br><cite>Tina Cubberley said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/vegan-supplementation?groupUrl=vegan-buddies&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A86222&xg_source=activity&groupId=4715978%3AGroup%3A82387#4715978Comment85554"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This is a realy interesting question ,particularly sinse there is so much controversy among AR activists about…</p>
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<p>Tina, can you support your statements? Where are you getting your information?<br/><br/><cite>Tina Cubberley said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/vegan-supplementation?groupUrl=vegan-buddies&commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A86222&xg_source=activity&groupId=4715978%3AGroup%3A82387#4715978Comment85554"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>This is a realy interesting question ,particularly sinse there is so much controversy among AR activists about how best to inspire others to join the boycott of exploitation , and if "mainstreaming " the movement in order to sell our ideals more easily to the outside world is a good tactic or a betrayal of our own values .</p>
<p> i think it seems oddly hypocritical to claim in one breath that veganism is the healthiest diet you can have ,then in the next warn listeners to take evry conseivable vitamin supplement ! especially when this is obviously not necesary . why sabotage our own case for no good reason ? consuming the flesh or breast milk of other species may more than double ur bodies' B12 intake , as does the consumption of stimulants such as coffee, tobacco an alcohol . the consumption of egg white has been proven to impair the absorbtion of B12 - a disadvantage shared with refined sugar . so the only motivation behind taking vitamin supplements seems to be that we want to continue to poison ourselves with these destructive and in any case highly unethical substanses ,while being reassured by the label on a bottle of tablets that it isnt doing us any harm . before dosing ourselves with artificial remedies to problems we hav ourselves created,shouldnt we simply examine our livestyles ? shouldnt we stop putting rubbish into our bodies that harms ourselves as well as others ,before we complain about being unable to live without added vitamins ??</p>
<p> its true that b12 deficiensy horror stories often form the basis for the arguments of those who refuse to educate themselves about vegan diets .but ther is no need to hand another flimsy excuse to those determined to continue finansing slavery and mass murder and feel good about it while they do so. i see no reason to give new vegans a dire warning .if you are short of b12 you need to reexamine your diet ,this applies whether or not your vegan . after all , we managed perfectly well before the cult of vitamin tablets .</p>
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</blockquote> I think it's important to be…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-08:4715978:Comment:862222012-03-08T01:08:37.111ZKit Kathttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/KitKat
<p>I think it's important to be honest with people. They'll find out anyway, and then wonder if you'd hidden other things from them as well. For me the point is that yes, it's probabaly not a bad idea to take B12 supplements since as a vegan you run the risk of becoming deficient if you're not extremely diligent about your diet. I would add though, that non-vegans are often also deficient in certain nutrients, as they too, tend not to be careful enough about following balanced diet.</p>
<p>I think it's important to be honest with people. They'll find out anyway, and then wonder if you'd hidden other things from them as well. For me the point is that yes, it's probabaly not a bad idea to take B12 supplements since as a vegan you run the risk of becoming deficient if you're not extremely diligent about your diet. I would add though, that non-vegans are often also deficient in certain nutrients, as they too, tend not to be careful enough about following balanced diet.</p> If you eat well you can get w…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-03:4715978:Comment:855572012-03-03T23:12:40.181Zvintagelovingveganhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/vintagelovingvegan
<p>If you eat well you can get what you need from everyday foods. B12 is found in fortified foods such as soya milk. I have never supplemented vitamins. I take hemp and chia seeds, wheat grass and barley grass in smoothies (not daily) but don't see those as a supplement. I can do without them. If you don't eat well and live as a junk food vegan then you aren't going to see a notable difference in your health (if that is the main or only reason they have become vegan) just as living from abused…</p>
<p>If you eat well you can get what you need from everyday foods. B12 is found in fortified foods such as soya milk. I have never supplemented vitamins. I take hemp and chia seeds, wheat grass and barley grass in smoothies (not daily) but don't see those as a supplement. I can do without them. If you don't eat well and live as a junk food vegan then you aren't going to see a notable difference in your health (if that is the main or only reason they have become vegan) just as living from abused and dead animals' is bad for your health.<br/>I am probably not the best person to answer this question as I would still be vegan even if it shortened my life.<br/><br/></p>
<p></p> This is a realy interesting q…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-03-03:4715978:Comment:855542012-03-03T22:37:03.435ZTina Cubberleyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/TinaCubberley
<p>This is a realy interesting question ,particularly sinse there is so much controversy among AR activists about how best to inspire others to join the boycott of exploitation , and if "mainstreaming " the movement in order to sell our ideals more easily to the outside world is a good tactic or a betrayal of our own values .</p>
<p> i think it seems oddly hypocritical to claim in one breath that veganism is the healthiest diet you can have ,then in the next warn listeners to take evry…</p>
<p>This is a realy interesting question ,particularly sinse there is so much controversy among AR activists about how best to inspire others to join the boycott of exploitation , and if "mainstreaming " the movement in order to sell our ideals more easily to the outside world is a good tactic or a betrayal of our own values .</p>
<p> i think it seems oddly hypocritical to claim in one breath that veganism is the healthiest diet you can have ,then in the next warn listeners to take evry conseivable vitamin supplement ! especially when this is obviously not necesary . why sabotage our own case for no good reason ? consuming the flesh or breast milk of other species may more than double ur bodies' B12 intake , as does the consumption of stimulants such as coffee, tobacco an alcohol . the consumption of egg white has been proven to impair the absorbtion of B12 - a disadvantage shared with refined sugar . so the only motivation behind taking vitamin supplements seems to be that we want to continue to poison ourselves with these destructive and in any case highly unethical substanses ,while being reassured by the label on a bottle of tablets that it isnt doing us any harm . before dosing ourselves with artificial remedies to problems we hav ourselves created,shouldnt we simply examine our livestyles ? shouldnt we stop putting rubbish into our bodies that harms ourselves as well as others ,before we complain about being unable to live without added vitamins ??</p>
<p> its true that b12 deficiensy horror stories often form the basis for the arguments of those who refuse to educate themselves about vegan diets .but ther is no need to hand another flimsy excuse to those determined to continue finansing slavery and mass murder and feel good about it while they do so. i see no reason to give new vegans a dire warning .if you are short of b12 you need to reexamine your diet ,this applies whether or not your vegan . after all , we managed perfectly well before the cult of vitamin tablets .</p>
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