Which chat did this person witness? - Animal Rights Zone2024-03-29T13:44:19Zhttp://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/which-chat-did-this-person-witness?feed=yes&xn_auth=noIt's interesting that, almost…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-18:4715978:Comment:1273992013-04-18T22:29:40.846ZCarolyn Baileyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>It's interesting that, almost two years on, Corey Wrenn continues to misrepresent and make ridiculous accusations about other advocates and organisations that she clearly doesn't understand. I pity anyone who lives with such hatred, it's very sad. </p>
<p>It's interesting that, almost two years on, Corey Wrenn continues to misrepresent and make ridiculous accusations about other advocates and organisations that she clearly doesn't understand. I pity anyone who lives with such hatred, it's very sad. </p> Thanks, Carolyn, I'll wait an…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-09-08:4715978:Comment:646832011-09-08T05:30:50.384Zred doghttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/reddog
Thanks, Carolyn, I'll wait and see how the chat goes before making up my mind (even if that disqualifies me for membership on certain websites).
Thanks, Carolyn, I'll wait and see how the chat goes before making up my mind (even if that disqualifies me for membership on certain websites). Hi red dog,
We'd welcome your…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-09-06:4715978:Comment:639862011-09-06T07:52:56.227ZCarolyn Baileyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>Hi red dog,</p>
<p>We'd welcome your critique of Jerry's chat and of ARZone in general. We welcome thoughtful critique and are usually our own biggest critics. We really do believe that ARZone members have every right to offer suggestions and express their opinions. </p>
<p>It would be nice to have someone critique us who has spent more than 10 minutes on the site! </p>
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<p>Hi red dog,</p>
<p>We'd welcome your critique of Jerry's chat and of ARZone in general. We welcome thoughtful critique and are usually our own biggest critics. We really do believe that ARZone members have every right to offer suggestions and express their opinions. </p>
<p>It would be nice to have someone critique us who has spent more than 10 minutes on the site! </p>
<p> </p> I can't add much to this disc…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-09-06:4715978:Comment:643342011-09-06T04:07:12.225Zred doghttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/reddog
<p>I can't add much to this discussion, but I agree with what many others have written here: The article by Corey Wrenn wasn't especially well written or well thought out, and ARZone doesn't deserve her mean-spirited attack. Not having been familiar with Peter Young's work or his writing, and having really only heard his name in connection with a mink release that happened years ago, I wasn't sure what to expect from the chat. I found his answers intelligent, thoughtful, and moderate in the…</p>
<p>I can't add much to this discussion, but I agree with what many others have written here: The article by Corey Wrenn wasn't especially well written or well thought out, and ARZone doesn't deserve her mean-spirited attack. Not having been familiar with Peter Young's work or his writing, and having really only heard his name in connection with a mink release that happened years ago, I wasn't sure what to expect from the chat. I found his answers intelligent, thoughtful, and moderate in the good sense of the word. The questions were very good too.</p>
<p>The nasty Examiner article really seems out of place, as you've all pointed out--but I admit I'm tempted to steal Corey Wrenn's idea and blog about the upcoming chat with Dr. Vlasak. Let's hope I can come up with something fairer to advance the discussion.</p> Well, there IS support. Whil…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-09-05:4715978:Comment:639752011-09-05T16:01:21.658ZMaynard S. Clarkhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/MaynardSClark
Well, there IS support. While welfarists HAVE (a) participated AND (b) been interviewed as guests, the 'spirit' or 'animus' seems to be thoroughly abolitionist and self-critical.<br></br><br></br>The organizers' in their labor of love have given us a venue through which we can work together and think together with one another, without which some of us might have passed from the pages of human history without reaching a more critical self-awareness, nor appreciated the depth and extensiveness of the…
Well, there IS support. While welfarists HAVE (a) participated AND (b) been interviewed as guests, the 'spirit' or 'animus' seems to be thoroughly abolitionist and self-critical.<br/><br/>The organizers' in their labor of love have given us a venue through which we can work together and think together with one another, without which some of us might have passed from the pages of human history without reaching a more critical self-awareness, nor appreciated the depth and extensiveness of the work already done in the past and going on now in building abolitionist vegan culture for the entire species. Hi Alan!
Thanks for commentin…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-08-17:4715978:Comment:603032011-08-17T21:48:43.301ZCarolyn Baileyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>Hi Alan!</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting on this topic. I agree with you. </p>
<p>I too appreciate much of the work Gary has done in the past, particularly his work in regard to veganism being the moral baseline. I learnt a lot of what I know today about abolitionism and animal rights from Gary. </p>
<p>When I refer to Francionists, I mean only that small minority of people who appear to blindly follow Gary without question and reject all other theorists and ideas based simply on what seems to…</p>
<p>Hi Alan!</p>
<p>Thanks for commenting on this topic. I agree with you. </p>
<p>I too appreciate much of the work Gary has done in the past, particularly his work in regard to veganism being the moral baseline. I learnt a lot of what I know today about abolitionism and animal rights from Gary. </p>
<p>When I refer to Francionists, I mean only that small minority of people who appear to blindly follow Gary without question and reject all other theorists and ideas based simply on what seems to me to be Gary's say-so. </p>
<p>I think it's healthy, and, in fact necessary, to ask critical questions of ourselves and of others. I also think that when we believe we have all the answers and no longer need to learn from others, it's very problematic.</p>
<p>I'm glad you're able to consider all the information available to you and draw your own conclusions. I think most people are able to do that. Which is why I think it's so important to present as much information as possible and trust that others are just as capable of doing that as we are. </p>
<p>ARZone hopes no one ever feels a need to meet a certain criterion to be welcomed here.</p>
<p> </p> Hehehe! :)tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-08-17:4715978:Comment:603012011-08-17T18:41:36.412ZAlan O'Reillyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/AlanOReilly
Hehehe! :)
Hehehe! :) a vegan Kumbaya :)tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-08-17:4715978:Comment:596782011-08-17T18:21:46.231ZTim Gierhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/TimGier
a vegan Kumbaya :)
a vegan Kumbaya :) Perhaps everyone should get t…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-08-17:4715978:Comment:600322011-08-17T18:20:07.492ZAlan O'Reillyhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/AlanOReilly
Perhaps everyone should get together and have a big abolitionist hug!
Perhaps everyone should get together and have a big abolitionist hug! Hi Alan,You are right, of cou…tag:arzone.ning.com,2011-08-17:4715978:Comment:600312011-08-17T18:13:04.556ZTim Gierhttp://arzone.ning.com/profile/TimGier
Hi Alan,<br/><br/>You are right, of course, and most people who accept some or most of Francione's views should not be held accountable for the actions of a few. <br/><br/>In what is perhaps the most ironic part of all this is that I know for a fact that some members of ARZone's admin team, and I'd wager a plurality (if not a majority) of ARZone members themselves, accept, endorse and promote the major ideas contained in Francione's work.
Hi Alan,<br/><br/>You are right, of course, and most people who accept some or most of Francione's views should not be held accountable for the actions of a few. <br/><br/>In what is perhaps the most ironic part of all this is that I know for a fact that some members of ARZone's admin team, and I'd wager a plurality (if not a majority) of ARZone members themselves, accept, endorse and promote the major ideas contained in Francione's work.