"Wow - I haven't come across people claiming to be vegan who are not. I'm struggling to understand why anyone would do that. I'm thinking fear? of being judged, rejected?
However I do know people who are active in/supportive of AR…"
"I think this information supports what I think is true, and kinda obvious. There's also evidence that those who identify as "\vegans" - in life, and certainly in surveys, eat and use other animals regularly. "Unequivocal…"
Here's a link to the UK Veg Soc's recent posting on the numbers of UK veg*ns.http://www.vegsoc.org/page.aspx?pid=753It shows that the number of vegans in the UK has been pretty static - according to the vegan soc for about 10-12 years at around 150,000. (despite what you will read on any number of UK pro-vegan and AR websites)The figures also show a steady increase in the amount of spending on meat-free/free-from foods. This suggests that…See More
"It's worth noting that last month the EU banned the sale of cosmetics tainted by animal testing - the UK Government were not to keen on this ban and the EU has forced it through in the face of incrediblle lobbying from…"
"Unfortunately Wrenn says nothing here to change my concept of ‘abolitionists’ - she's just one with a grudge against another. (I'm more abolitionist than you!) As Tim says this could’ve been an interesting article…"
"Hypocrisy or human nature?
"What precisely is the problem? Is there really anybody out there who loves horses so much they won’t eat them, but is nevertheless happy to chow down on cattle meat?"
Yes of course there are…"
Are we more effective for animals in our out of the EU?
Well regarding the EU Directive on animal experiments: while it is sadly true that the UK Govt (as expected) has used this opportunity to lower the protection offered to…"
"I agree with you Tim. There is no evidence to back up Francione's claims - but quite a lot that suggests ‘his abolitionist’ approach will not work. Still he persists in repeating the same old stuff, promoting the idea that it is for…"
"These kinds of situations are problematic if - like many AR-ists - you also have progressive views in other areas, such as for Native People/populations. For many it will be viewed as black & white with no question that they have no rights to…"
""she could potentially force her mother to be vegan" !!!!
Or maybe she understands that isn't a viable way to go around promoting veganism? None of us have the right to force our views on anyone. (it is usually…"
Another book along similar lines - more of a direct 'interest' based rights approach is: Animal Rights Without Liberation by Dr Alasdair Cochrane, Columbia.
He takes the line that not all animal use is abuse and argues that we…"
"Animal Rights Without Liberation
A new book looking at how to make animal rights more inclusive:
October 15th, 2012 at 11:37 am
“Because there can be reasonable philosophical disagreements about the proper content of animal rights, I believe…"
"The original post suggests that abolitionists might spend more time campaigning effectively for animals instead of spending time and energy whinging about some of the big welfare groups.
Whinging about PETA and HSUS etc is not campaigning.
"It seems to me that there are broadly 2 types of vegan. The ones who go vegan to reduce harm to other animals and 'do their best' as Tim suggests (in my experience - 20 yrs vegan - most of the ones I've met fall into this category -…"
Carolyn you ask what an animal advocate is - and then go on to rubbish the whole concept because the term has been misappropriated by Colin Blakemore and others. This seems to be standard procedure on ARZone –…"
Well done for trying to begin a thought-provoking discussion. Sadly AR Zone is probably not the best place to try and have a rational and logical discussion about animal rights - odd that :)
I like: Roger has failed miserably to…"
Animal Rights Zone (ARZone) is an animal rights site. As such, it is the position of ARZone that it is only by ending completely the use of other animal as things can we fulfill our moral obligations to them.