Most Animals in U.S are killed by Cats - Animal Rights Zone2024-03-29T09:42:23Zhttps://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/most-animals-in-u-s-are-killed-by-cats?commentId=4715978%3AComment%3A127706&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI wish there was a "like" but…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-05-17:4715978:Comment:1299502013-05-17T06:01:31.105ZKath Worsfoldhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/KathWorsfold
<p>I wish there was a "like" button here. I SO agree with Kerry Baker and Roy Gordon about cats' role as species extinctors, as opposed to HUMANS' role. There is just no comparison.</p>
<p>Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. And, yes - can someone PLEASE tell me why humans are never included in the list of species whose numbers must be culled? We are, quite simply, over-running the world. We are actually vermin.</p>
<p>Leave the cats alone, please. Take the beam out of your eye, before…</p>
<p>I wish there was a "like" button here. I SO agree with Kerry Baker and Roy Gordon about cats' role as species extinctors, as opposed to HUMANS' role. There is just no comparison.</p>
<p>Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. And, yes - can someone PLEASE tell me why humans are never included in the list of species whose numbers must be culled? We are, quite simply, over-running the world. We are actually vermin.</p>
<p>Leave the cats alone, please. Take the beam out of your eye, before you complain about the mote in someone else's.</p> And when you account the anim…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-05-07:4715978:Comment:1293052013-05-07T10:56:04.458ZRoy Gordonhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/roygordon
<p>And when you account the animals killed for study, during environmental manipulation, and plain amusement, the number becomes so vast you have, in comparison, a pair of sunglass lenses made of wool, fitting right over the eyes.<br></br> <br></br> <cite>Tim Gier said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/most-animals-in-u-s-are-killed-by-cats?xg_source=activity#4715978Comment122670"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><span>According to the study, cats in the US kill in…</span></p>
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<p>And when you account the animals killed for study, during environmental manipulation, and plain amusement, the number becomes so vast you have, in comparison, a pair of sunglass lenses made of wool, fitting right over the eyes.<br/> <br/> <cite>Tim Gier said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/most-animals-in-u-s-are-killed-by-cats?xg_source=activity#4715978Comment122670"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p><span>According to the study, cats in the US kill in the range of 8.3 to 24.4 Billion other animals per year. If the study's estimates are accurate, then cats kill as many other animals in the US as humans kill directly for food. Perhaps the first thing advocate for other animals ought to abolish is cats.</span></p>
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</blockquote> There was a mass extinction e…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-05-07:4715978:Comment:1290982013-05-07T10:50:41.000ZRoy Gordonhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/roygordon
<p>There was a mass extinction event we have all heard about when the dinosaurs died. 90% of animal species became extinct. The next most major extinction event is not even on the list. It is not recognised. This would be understandable, things that happen millions of years ago might not leave a lot of evidence behind, but this event has the most evidence because it is happening right now. In the last 10,000 years or so 75% of all species on this planet have dissapeared. This coincides…</p>
<p>There was a mass extinction event we have all heard about when the dinosaurs died. 90% of animal species became extinct. The next most major extinction event is not even on the list. It is not recognised. This would be understandable, things that happen millions of years ago might not leave a lot of evidence behind, but this event has the most evidence because it is happening right now. In the last 10,000 years or so 75% of all species on this planet have dissapeared. This coincides with the rise of human domination, though it is also argued to be something to do with climate change... something which happens naturally every few thousand years as the tilt of the earth changes, but as climate change happens on a 23,000 year cycle, and mass extinctions, 50% plus, have only occured about 6 times in the last billion years, it's quite coincidental that 100s of thousands (no exaggeration) of species continue to dissapear every year, usually regardless of the temperature outdoors and mostly attributable to the activity of humans. This event is called the Holocene Extinction Event and will probably not be recognised until it can be attributed to climate change instead of humans. What cats do is trivial. The only environment a house cat could be the dominant predator is an environment where life has been decimated by humans. Humans accusing other animals of killing a lot in such an environment is an ultimate irony. Human irony is where this argument comes from. We look at ourselves so closely we cannot see what we are, trees for the woods etc.<br/> <br/> <cite>Kerry Baker said:</cite></p>
<blockquote cite="http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/most-animals-in-u-s-are-killed-by-cats?xg_source=activity#4715978Comment127495"><div><div class="xg_user_generated"><p>It is not so simple. I always have to wonder where this argument comes up and vegans start suggesting eradication or culling or sterilisation, but funnily I have never seen the human species included in their strategies.</p>
<p>The human race has been the greatest killer of all, both directly and indirectly through manipulation of the environment and destruction of natural ecosystems. To be blunt, we have killed the planet, it is doomed.</p>
<p>Humans are the ones who created the problem, and human greed and behaviour is not going to change any time soon so we are not the ones who will fix the problems.</p>
<p>The best thing that we can do is to get out of the way of animals and sort out ourselves first, at least to eke out what life this planet has left in her.</p>
<p>I might add that where predators are removed, experience has shown it has a deleterious affect on the very animals who were supposed to be protected for many complex reasons.</p>
<p>One website has something on this issue: <a href="http://www.awfct.org/catsandbirds.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.awfct.org/catsandbirds.htm</a></p>
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</blockquote> Thanks, Kerry! I look forward…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-19:4715978:Comment:1276212013-04-19T23:15:48.553ZCarolyn Baileyhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>Thanks, Kerry! I look forward to reading the article! </p>
<p>Thanks, Kerry! I look forward to reading the article! </p> This article fairly succinct…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-19:4715978:Comment:1277062013-04-19T12:38:24.043ZKerry Bakerhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/KerryBaker
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<p>This article fairly succinctly explains the damage caused by culling all feral cats on Macquarie Island.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2012/09/wrecking-macquarie-island-to-save-it" target="_blank">http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2012/09/wrecking-macquarie-island-to-save-it</a></p>
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<p>This is a Tasmanian issue, I know something similar here happened in Melbourne but can't recall the details, which I'll endeavour to find.</p>
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<p>This article fairly succinctly explains the damage caused by culling all feral cats on Macquarie Island.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2012/09/wrecking-macquarie-island-to-save-it" target="_blank">http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2012/09/wrecking-macquarie-island-to-save-it</a></p>
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<p>This is a Tasmanian issue, I know something similar here happened in Melbourne but can't recall the details, which I'll endeavour to find.</p> I'll try to get the correct s…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-19:4715978:Comment:1277042013-04-19T09:08:56.317ZKerry Bakerhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/KerryBaker
<p>I'll try to get the correct source Carolyn and post. </p>
<p>Interestingly today I went to a lecture at Melbourne Uni by a visiting Canadian Professor talking about the welfarist / conservationist sides. He went through some past research and there were some really dreadful statistics.</p>
<p>One example, a transmission tower constructed in Wisconsin had incidents of hundreds of birds dying and falling at the base in one night. Over a very long period of time a researcher who attended every…</p>
<p>I'll try to get the correct source Carolyn and post. </p>
<p>Interestingly today I went to a lecture at Melbourne Uni by a visiting Canadian Professor talking about the welfarist / conservationist sides. He went through some past research and there were some really dreadful statistics.</p>
<p>One example, a transmission tower constructed in Wisconsin had incidents of hundreds of birds dying and falling at the base in one night. Over a very long period of time a researcher who attended every day eventually came up with a staggering number which to put in context equaled one Exxon Valdez (250,000) every fortnight.</p>
<p>Another study on birds estimated that 1 billion birds are killed in the US every year from striking reflective surfaces.</p>
<p>Thought provoking numbers there.</p> Hi Kerry, Do you have any inf…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-18:4715978:Comment:1274992013-04-18T22:25:20.375ZCarolyn Baileyhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>Hi Kerry, <br/><br/>Do you have any information that I can read further about the programme in Melbourne you spoke of above, please? </p>
<p>Hi Kerry, <br/><br/>Do you have any information that I can read further about the programme in Melbourne you spoke of above, please? </p> It is not so simple. I always…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-18:4715978:Comment:1274952013-04-18T09:31:00.054ZKerry Bakerhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/KerryBaker
<p>It is not so simple. I always have to wonder where this argument comes up and vegans start suggesting eradication or culling or sterilisation, but funnily I have never seen the human species included in their strategies.</p>
<p>The human race has been the greatest killer of all, both directly and indirectly through manipulation of the environment and destruction of natural ecosystems. To be blunt, we have killed the planet, it is doomed.</p>
<p>Humans are the ones who created the problem,…</p>
<p>It is not so simple. I always have to wonder where this argument comes up and vegans start suggesting eradication or culling or sterilisation, but funnily I have never seen the human species included in their strategies.</p>
<p>The human race has been the greatest killer of all, both directly and indirectly through manipulation of the environment and destruction of natural ecosystems. To be blunt, we have killed the planet, it is doomed.</p>
<p>Humans are the ones who created the problem, and human greed and behaviour is not going to change any time soon so we are not the ones who will fix the problems.</p>
<p>The best thing that we can do is to get out of the way of animals and sort out ourselves first, at least to eke out what life this planet has left in her.</p>
<p>I might add that where predators are removed, experience has shown it has a deleterious affect on the very animals who were supposed to be protected for many complex reasons.</p>
<p>One website has something on this issue: <a href="http://www.awfct.org/catsandbirds.htm" target="_blank">http://www.awfct.org/catsandbirds.htm</a></p>
<p></p> Nath's other point should not…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-17:4715978:Comment:1273902013-04-17T21:56:03.535ZMoniquehttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/Monique
<p>Nath's other point should not be overlooked, though. The feeding of cats and dogs causes the abuse and slaughter of millions of farm animals. Carnivores kill or get us to kill for them.</p>
<p>Nath's other point should not be overlooked, though. The feeding of cats and dogs causes the abuse and slaughter of millions of farm animals. Carnivores kill or get us to kill for them.</p> Nath, there is evidence to su…tag:arzone.ning.com,2013-04-11:4715978:Comment:1270972013-04-11T11:48:45.009ZKerry Bakerhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/KerryBaker
<p>Nath, there is evidence to support the article. In Western Australia some time ago research conducted by the WA University actually showed cats are not responsible for anywhere near the numbers of deaths attributed to them. The research wasn't actually published in the end because it conflicted with business agenda, primarily farmers I think. Here in Melbourne, a program to get rid of all cats on one of the islands to stop native birds being killed actually ended up with greater deaths of…</p>
<p>Nath, there is evidence to support the article. In Western Australia some time ago research conducted by the WA University actually showed cats are not responsible for anywhere near the numbers of deaths attributed to them. The research wasn't actually published in the end because it conflicted with business agenda, primarily farmers I think. Here in Melbourne, a program to get rid of all cats on one of the islands to stop native birds being killed actually ended up with greater deaths of birds due to a rise in other predators that cats normally kill. </p>
<p>The environment is a much more complex system than you apparently suggest. Here in Victoria foxes are also considered vermin with mandatory death when caught to safeguard wildlife, the same in most states. But if you go to the DSE website and take a look at the statistics for what has been found in fox stomach the actual wildlife, mainly possums, comes at the bottom of the list.</p>
<p>In fact there is evidence to suggest that ecosystems adapt very well, and quickly, when other species like foxes are introduced.</p>