Comments - The Spectrum of Acceptable Opinion - A Response to Rob Johnson - Animal Rights Zone2024-03-29T10:11:41Zhttps://arzone.ning.com/profiles/comment/feed?attachedTo=4715978%3ABlogPost%3A79300&xn_auth=noI just read Louise's comment…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-02-05:4715978:Comment:818212012-02-05T05:49:33.644ZKath Worsfoldhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/KathWorsfold
<p>I just read Louise's comment here, and it is so utterly SPOT ON! She has said what I think and feel better than I could myself. Kudos to Louise.</p>
<p>I just read Louise's comment here, and it is so utterly SPOT ON! She has said what I think and feel better than I could myself. Kudos to Louise.</p> My guess is that Chomsky must…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-01-27:4715978:Comment:807482012-01-27T08:28:34.911Zred doghttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/reddog
<p>My guess is that Chomsky must have made that comment with reference to U.S. politics and the U.S. media? Vigorous debate is encouraged between supporters of the Democratic and Republican parties and if your views fall somewhere near the middle of that spectrum you are perceived as a "centrist"--but it's a false centre because the Greens, socialists and others have been excluded?</p>
<p>What his comment had to do with ARZone I have no idea, and that's probably the most tortured comparison…</p>
<p>My guess is that Chomsky must have made that comment with reference to U.S. politics and the U.S. media? Vigorous debate is encouraged between supporters of the Democratic and Republican parties and if your views fall somewhere near the middle of that spectrum you are perceived as a "centrist"--but it's a false centre because the Greens, socialists and others have been excluded?</p>
<p>What his comment had to do with ARZone I have no idea, and that's probably the most tortured comparison I've seen in a long time. As others have said, the Francionists have removed themselves from the debates at ARZone and that's their choice. I've said before that ARZone is a wonderful educational resource--definitely, Rob Johnson's accusations are way off base. It's disappointing to see that this person succeeded in hijacking an important discussion about fakery on the Internet and why/how some people pretend to be fictitious characters. The Monbiot article that Brandon linked to was relevant for ARZone and for <strong>all</strong> websites where people seek to create a community and share information. I really wish that discussion had stayed on track. </p> Hi Louise! Thank you so very…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-01-25:4715978:Comment:803682012-01-25T06:06:49.816ZCarolyn Baileyhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/CarolynBailey
<p>Hi Louise! Thank you so very much for your kind and thoughtful comments! </p>
<p>There will always be times that ARZone receives criticism from those who don't understand the importance of reaching out to our members and giving them a space to explore their own thoughts and ideas. <br/><br/>We are always so very grateful to receive such words of encouragement from our members, and your very kind words have been received with much gratitude and appreciation. <br/><br/>Thanks, Louise! </p>
<p>Hi Louise! Thank you so very much for your kind and thoughtful comments! </p>
<p>There will always be times that ARZone receives criticism from those who don't understand the importance of reaching out to our members and giving them a space to explore their own thoughts and ideas. <br/><br/>We are always so very grateful to receive such words of encouragement from our members, and your very kind words have been received with much gratitude and appreciation. <br/><br/>Thanks, Louise! </p> In this post, I referred to a…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-01-25:4715978:Comment:806312012-01-25T05:57:44.650ZTim Gierhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/TimGier
<p>In this post, I referred to a "clown's corner" on the internet. Many people may not be aware but there actually is such a website (I won't provide a link to it, they don't deserve any more publicity than I'm already giving them). What's interesting about the site is that it's run anonymously - there's no reference to who created it or who provides any of the content on it. The content consists exclusively of juvenile, poorly executed and not-very-funny attacks on vegans and activists. Gary…</p>
<p>In this post, I referred to a "clown's corner" on the internet. Many people may not be aware but there actually is such a website (I won't provide a link to it, they don't deserve any more publicity than I'm already giving them). What's interesting about the site is that it's run anonymously - there's no reference to who created it or who provides any of the content on it. The content consists exclusively of juvenile, poorly executed and not-very-funny attacks on vegans and activists. Gary Francione links to these clowns on his Abolitionist Approach blog and Rob Johnson has defended them to me in the past. I've been told that Vegan:UK often posts about how the clowns are doing great work. So, I guess that anonymous attacks on vegans and activists the <strong>worst thing ever</strong>, except when they aren't. It must be nice to be able to turn wrong into right whenever it suits one's purposes.</p> Just realised the comment i m…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-01-24:4715978:Comment:806042012-01-24T14:42:23.973ZLouise, Londonhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/LouiseLondon
<p>Just realised the comment i made about classism, being anyway linked to speciesism, may not make sense and sounds a bit obscure, but references something I'm only beginning to grasp about 'power over' ways of relating that seem all caught up with the way we treat animals. I know what I mean...just not able to explain it well, yet.</p>
<p>Just realised the comment i made about classism, being anyway linked to speciesism, may not make sense and sounds a bit obscure, but references something I'm only beginning to grasp about 'power over' ways of relating that seem all caught up with the way we treat animals. I know what I mean...just not able to explain it well, yet.</p> In response to any criticism…tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-01-24:4715978:Comment:805172012-01-24T14:23:15.531ZLouise, Londonhttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/LouiseLondon
<p>In response to any criticism about ARZone and its effectiveness I'd like to offer the following personal account of how ARZone is helping me;</p>
<p>A couple of months ago I reached a place where I moved from being vegan (opting out of cruelty as much as possible) to wanting to become active advocate on behalf of animals. I scoured the internet to find out more about what's being done to help the animals and came across all kinds of useful information on all the websites I…</p>
<p>In response to any criticism about ARZone and its effectiveness I'd like to offer the following personal account of how ARZone is helping me;</p>
<p>A couple of months ago I reached a place where I moved from being vegan (opting out of cruelty as much as possible) to wanting to become active advocate on behalf of animals. I scoured the internet to find out more about what's being done to help the animals and came across all kinds of useful information on all the websites I encountered.</p>
<p>However, what I have found in the ARZone website is something in a class entirely of its own. Is classist being speciesist...even in language? Maybe. That I would even ask myself such a question, be aware of such an issue is entirely down to the incredible learning curve and radical shift in my perception happening from listening to the Podcasts, reading the posts, and recommended reading material discussed by ARZone members.</p>
<p>ARZone first, has provided me with a sense that I am not alone, offered me a warm welcome, and a place to come to discuss all the key issues, how my journey is going, to look more deeply at the reasons why I am a vegan, why others might become vegan. I feel like I’m attending the best university possible on the subject of animal rights, and its free, and available anytime I switch on my computer.</p>
<p>In its truly invaluable Podcast interviews ARZone is offering me the opportunity to listen to fascinating discussions amongst people who've been part of the animal rights movement over the last few decades, to learn from their own stories, of what worked for them. How best to talk to people, to get the message across. How to consider all the deeper implications of what becoming vegan means to people. So much! And I’m only beginning to explore the information that is available on this site.</p>
<p>Waking up to see the suffering of animals, to really hold that in my consciousness everyday, has for me, been emotionally very difficult. I had nightmares every night, and felt utterly overwhelmed with the scale of animal use and abuse in our society, and the denial about it. Being able to come to ARZone and feel connected to and hear others whose passion to help animals is so dedicated and consistant, has been so supportive in that instead of being overwhelmed and alone, I've found a resource that is shaping and forming my understanding in ways that, if ARZone didn't exist, may have taken years to develop.</p>
<p>Listening to one Podcast with Jose Vallez and Sharon Nunez about their organisation in Spain, when Sharon said something about however tired they get or burnt out they get they find a way to continue...this, I think of often. When I'm tempted to switch off, shut down, I think of statements like that, I think of Carolyn, Tim, Roger, Barbara and others who must have busy lives of their own, yet are here plugging away everyday. It gives me the strength and encouragement to focus my energy in similar way, find new resources inside myself to push on.</p>
<p>Roger’s humour, lightens me up often, and the lively debate of sometimes strongly held different views of these founding group members, gives me the example of considering the different perspectives fully whilst holding all of them in the same friendly allowing of difference way the discussions themselves are conducted.</p>
<p>I could go on at length describing the gratitude and appreciation I feel and many ways ARZone is helping. But instead, must get on, doing what I can and returning to this incredible education and awakening ARZone is offering me…instead of defending it to any critics, who I can only think have a very limited personal opinion of something they know nothing about…if they can criticize ARZone at all.</p> Spot-on, Tim.tag:arzone.ning.com,2012-01-23:4715978:Comment:802852012-01-23T22:31:51.992ZRob Brevendthttps://arzone.ning.com/profile/AdrianoMannino
<p>Spot-on, Tim.</p>
<p>Spot-on, Tim.</p>