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What do other vegans think of the palm oil issue, and the parallels that are often drawn between the production of palm oil and other products such as soy, bananas and sugar. 

The majority of palm oil is produced in Indonesia and Malaysia, where not only orangutans are killed or displaced, so are many other species, including humans. I believe the palm oil issue is far bigger and more complex than the focus on orangutans. This is an environmental, and a humanitarian issue as much as anything else.

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any vegans see palm oil as one of the most challenging issues facing vegans today. Is it right to think about certain food products as being "vegan" or is being vegan something that humans DO? Just because a food product contains nothing derived from other animals, is that alone enough to make it OK for vegans to eat it? 

 

Palm oil IS vegan!
Written by Ed Coffin

 

In recent times, palm oil has become a completely polarizing subject within the vegan movement.  Vicious attacks have been unleashed targeting vegan companies, like Earth Balance and Daiya, and some have even gone as far as to claim that you’re not vegan if you eat palm oil because it’s inherently “not vegan.”

On the one hand, it’s first important to point out that the allegations that palm oil farming can be and usually is an incredibly destructive force and something we should be aware of.  On the other hand, groups such as Rainforest Action Network have done an excellent job of packaging the issue up into a marketable campaign that has essentially turned this into a completely black and white issue.

Some people seem to have become convinced that there’s absolutely no way to harvest palm oil sustainably and that it all results in the death of orangutans.  In reality, this is simply untrue.  Of course there are ways of harvesting palm oil sustainably, just as there are better ways of farming practically every type of crop.

What’s fascinating is that those who claim that all palm oil is 100% not vegan will readily continue consuming foods like bananas, coconuts, and sugar that are all mostly grown using methods equally as destructive if not worse than methods used to harvest palm oil.  Where is the outrage concerning these crops?  Are we going to start claiming that all soy isn’t vegan because most of it is grown unsustainably?  Please!

This entire discussion regarding palm oil has escalated to the point where you cannot even engage in meaningful dialogue with anti-palm oil advocates because no matter what you say, you’re wrong and they’re right.  Don’t even bother attempting to rationalize with them, they’ll just start screaming at you about how you’re not vegan.

The fact is, until they stop eating bananas, coconuts, sugar and every other crop that has been harvested unsustainably, they’re being pretty hypocritical.  See, that’s the problem with turning this into a black and white issue, because once you deduce down the issue ethically, you’d be left with being unable to consume anything except the food you grew in your own yard.

Should we talk about the issues with palm oil?  Of course!  We should also perhaps limit our intake of it, or seek out products that obtain it from more sustainable sources.  The vice president of Earth Balance even discussed on Eating Consci... about the extensive efforts Earth Balance is pushing forth to ensure they’re palm oil is coming from ethical sources.

We should be commending efforts by these companies instead of attacking them.  Vegan companies like Earth Balance and Daiya use less than .001% of the world’s palm oil, so attacking them really makes very little sense from a strategic standpoint as well.  Also, commenting on a vegan’s Facebook photo of a Daiya wedge and telling them how they’re not vegan seems like a really counterproductive act.

At the end of the day, palm oil is a completely plant-based food product that is vegan and we should be able to be open and honest about the fact that as vegans, we eat palm oil without being criticized and harassed for it.  We should be able to say we used Earth Balance without being attacked by our fellow banana-eating vegans.

 



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These links are very helpful and contain an enormous amount of information on palm oil, the incredible amount of hidden names for palm oil, and how the palm oil industry is deceiving the world: 

http://arzone.ning.com/video/the-sustainability-lie-how-the-palm-oi...

http://arzone.ning.com/forum/topics/some-facts-on-palm-oil

Thank you for such a great perspective - I'm surprised this is not getting more traction.

Speaking for myself I am absolutely more conscientious about consuming palm oil and reading labels, and have started making my own "futter," but it's not an issue that I am as passionate about as some people.

Different campaigns are attractive to different activists for different reasons. Banning New York City carriage horses is incredibly important to some people, such as New Yorkers, but few of us outside NY can really dedicate ourselves to this effort. Similarly the destruction of orangutan habitats is important to people who have experience in primate sanctuaries or just have an affinity for them, like others have for dolphins, elephants, pigs, or pit bulls. As much as people claim to be non-speciesist, I think many feel called to certain campaigns and certain animals, and I don't begrudge people who choose orangutans.

I also agree about calling for boycotts of vegan companies or vegan products - I don't see this as productive when this represents such a tiny fraction of the total of palm oil used in products today. I have honestly heard people suggest an "accidentally vegan" product as an alternative to Earth Balance from a mainstream company that uses palm oil in many of its other products. The company probably uses several times more palm oil than Earth Balance based on sheer volume. I don't understand how this is the ethical choice.

I hate to say it but there is little interest in habitat conservation or intelligent management of animal populations on the part of the governments in that region of the world in the face of the great profit that can be made exporting goods and materials to the west. If it wasn't palm oil, it would be something else - another food crop or animals or lumber. Even if this consumer campaign were successful, the orangutans would still be decimated because another industry would move in. Rather than convincing individual vegans to avoid it, it seems a better tactic would be to pressure those governments to do a better job of protecting the species.

As for the polarizing nature of the issue, I agree again, and I take exception to the statement some make that palm oil is not vegan. It isn't animal-derived. It doesn't contain animal ingredients. Yes, it has a negative environmental and animal impact - but so do all kinds of human activities. I don't see veganism as about attaining a level of purity, it's about intentionality. Do orangutans and field mice and earthworms sometimes die in the harvesting of crops? Of course. Wasps die in the production of figs. But it's not my *intention* to kill or exploit them, as opposed to, say, someone who consumes animal flesh and secretions, for which it's a necessity that animals be exploited and die. It is one of those things that simply confuses non-vegans when we have a public conversation about an issue like this, or make it a focus of outreach, or imply that these are ethically equivalent.

And here's my bottom-line opinion: I dislike getting caught up in these navel-gazing cycles of discussion about whether figs or palm oil or bananas are vegan and is it wrong to wear a secondhand wool coat and if we were stranded on the tundra would we club a baby seal for food and so on. When the majority of people eat animal products several times a day, ten billion land animals are killed for food every year in the U.S. alone, 65 billion globally, clearly the key is to get people to stop eating...palm oil?

u can fool some ppl sometimes but u can not fool all d ppl all of the time


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=587760894586917&set=a.5...,

http://www.saynotopalmoil.com/

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