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Tim Gier's Discussions

It's time to abandon Abolitionism

Started this discussion. Last reply by Allen Khorasani Jun 12. 10 Replies

So-called Abolitionist Animal Rights is hindering progress with respect to the treatment by humans of other animals. That is, it is not the case that, on balance, the "Abolitionists" have made things…Continue

A Proposed Experiment on the Appraisal of Good and Evil

Started this discussion. Last reply by Richard McMahan Nov 3, 2013. 7 Replies

Here's an experiment in social psychology that I'd like to see performed (or that I'd like to read about if something like it has already been performed):Post a statement in various groups on…Continue

The Ethical Behavior of Those Who Should Know Better

Started this discussion. Last reply by Uptight Primate Nov 13, 2013. 8 Replies

Eric Schwitzgebel is Professor of Philosophy at the University of California. He's studied the relationship between one's stated moral beliefs and one's behavior, as shown by the responses to…Continue

Tags: Eric-Schwitzgebel, Philosophy-Bites, respect, other-animals, ethics

Most Animals in U.S are killed by Cats

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kath Worsfold May 17, 2013. 14 Replies

Animals in the U.S face a formidable foe, cats, which are one of them but has killed billions of animals already, according to a recent study.The study was done by the researchers from the…Continue

Tags: spay, neuter, contraception, feral, prey

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Allen Khorasani replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"Thank you so much for the link, it is a great article, this is so true: "Seeking to protect animals by engaging exclusively in a moral crusade has the effect of removing animals from the political arena and the possibility of enforceable…"
Jun 12
Allen Khorasani replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"I find the current abolitionist “movement” quit troubling although I don’t worry about it so much as they are marginalizing themselves and becoming irrelevant. It is not only the fact that their method of advocacy is ineffective…"
Jun 6
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"Dr. Best does understand the structural realities that are in play in ways that I think those who have "moral theories" of animal rights don't. "
Jun 4
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"HI Carolyn,I like NIck's work, as you know. I think it's crazy for people in the movement to ignore what he's learned about social-psychology and how it can help us to influence the behaviors of others. At the same time, I think Nick…"
Jun 4
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"Thanks for reading the post. I think that the toughest part of "creating change" is in the knowing that we don't have very much power at all to change the world. As creatures of evolution, the world changes us - we respond to it in an…"
Jun 4
Allen Khorasani replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"IMHO, the most comprehensive approach not just to animal right but "total liberation" is proposed by another abolitionist advocate, Dr. Steve Best who does not get enough coverage or credit in the vegan community. I think he has it right.…"
Jun 4
Carolyn Bailey replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"You mentioned Nick Cooney and his work a few times, Uptight Primate, have you heard Nick's latest interview with ARZone in which he speaks about his newest book, Veganomics and *THE* abolitionist approach and why he thinks it is ineffective and…"
May 31
Tim Gier posted a discussion

It's time to abandon Abolitionism

So-called Abolitionist Animal Rights is hindering progress with respect to the treatment by humans of other animals. That is, it is not the case that, on balance, the "Abolitionists" have made things better for non-human animals but, rather, they have delayed the adoption of meaningful reforms that would benefit billions of animals.The "Abolitionist Approach" is such that it demands of all people that they either adopt a strict vegan lifestyle or accept themselves as immoral, or "morally…See More
May 26
Carolyn Bailey replied to Tim Gier's discussion ARZone Podcast 41: Intersectionality, Internet and Advocacy in a non-Vegan World
"Billy said: My point about cats is just that it is another example of compromises vegans must deal with, not everything about being vegan is easy. Purchasing an ultra-expensive, potentially unhealthy product for cats to eat is one way to deal…"
Mar 24
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion The Ethical Behavior of Those Who Should Know Better
"Mandy, We don't know why we do the things we do and almost all of our explanations for our own behaviors are rationalizations after the fact. We are not in charge of our own lives in the way most of us think we are - our conscious experience of…"
Nov 11, 2013
Mandy Barlow replied to Tim Gier's discussion The Ethical Behavior of Those Who Should Know Better
"Okay thanks. It just takes time (a few times) for the realisation to sink in. I changed my behaviour when I joined Animal Liberation. I stopped eating fish - because of what I was told. And I started feeling bad that I was making fish suffer. I then…"
Nov 11, 2013
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion The Ethical Behavior of Those Who Should Know Better
"I should also say that some 'abolitionist' goals - such as the ending of the human practice of keeping other animals as 'pets' - are not possible to be universally achieved at all, ever, given the sorts of creatures human beings…"
Nov 10, 2013
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion The Ethical Behavior of Those Who Should Know Better
"Hi Mandy, What I believe the research shows is that, even when a person admits to believing something, it's nor necessarily the case that their behavior will align with their beliefs. That means that, even if we communicate to others in ways…"
Nov 10, 2013
Mandy Barlow replied to Tim Gier's discussion The Ethical Behavior of Those Who Should Know Better
"Do you mean it's the way you communicate your message to others that's important? Don't we want the world to be vegan to stop animal explotation? I do. I can see that's the only way. Although I admit I'm one of those…"
Nov 10, 2013
Richard McMahan replied to Tim Gier's discussion A Proposed Experiment on the Appraisal of Good and Evil
" Probably the the best choice. But when your numbers hover around 2 to 3%, who knows! "
Nov 3, 2013
Richard McMahan replied to Tim Gier's discussion A Proposed Experiment on the Appraisal of Good and Evil
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Nov 3, 2013

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At 7:37 on June 17, 2012, Maynard S. Clark said…

Good to see two brilliant and prominent vegetarians disagreeing so fundamentally (in the public space) about such a prominently debated current issue.

 
 
 

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