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It's time to abandon Abolitionism

Started this discussion. Last reply by Allen Khorasani Jun 12, 2014. 10 Replies

So-called Abolitionist Animal Rights is hindering progress with respect to the treatment by humans of other animals. That is, it is not the case that, on balance, the "Abolitionists" have made things…Continue

A Proposed Experiment on the Appraisal of Good and Evil

Started this discussion. Last reply by Richard McMahan Nov 3, 2013. 7 Replies

Here's an experiment in social psychology that I'd like to see performed (or that I'd like to read about if something like it has already been performed):Post a statement in various groups on…Continue

The Ethical Behavior of Those Who Should Know Better

Started this discussion. Last reply by Uptight Primate Nov 13, 2013. 8 Replies

Eric Schwitzgebel is Professor of Philosophy at the University of California. He's studied the relationship between one's stated moral beliefs and one's behavior, as shown by the responses to…Continue

Tags: Eric-Schwitzgebel, Philosophy-Bites, respect, other-animals, ethics

Most Animals in U.S are killed by Cats

Started this discussion. Last reply by Kath Worsfold May 17, 2013. 14 Replies

Animals in the U.S face a formidable foe, cats, which are one of them but has killed billions of animals already, according to a recent study.The study was done by the researchers from the…Continue

Tags: spay, neuter, contraception, feral, prey

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Tim Gier replied to Carolyn Bailey's discussion Science Weighs In At Last ~ Norm Phelps
"Hi Jeff, The study that Norm wrote about show that publicity about welfare reforms is positively correlated with a decrease in the rate of increase in demand. That's not nothing, but it's not clear that it's something that works…"
Feb 21
Tim Gier replied to Animal Rights Zone's discussion ARZone Podcast 85: Kim Socha - Animal Liberation and Atheism
"Hi again Jeffrey, Among other verses, I take it that Isaiah 65:24-25 speak to the ideal you've mentioned? (I'm including the KJV version of those verses here, for anyone who hasn't read them)24: And it shall come to pass, that before…"
Feb 2
Tim Gier replied to Animal Rights Zone's discussion ARZone Podcast 85: Kim Socha - Animal Liberation and Atheism
"Hi again Jeffrey, It occurred to me that there must be different rabbinic commentaries or different ways to interpret the same commentaries in that not all Jews are vegan or vegetarian. Is that right?  "
Jan 31
Tim Gier replied to Animal Rights Zone's discussion ARZone Podcast 85: Kim Socha - Animal Liberation and Atheism
"Thanks again Jeffrey. I will make time to read Isaiah in the next few days. "
Jan 30
Tim Gier replied to Animal Rights Zone's discussion ARZone Podcast 85: Kim Socha - Animal Liberation and Atheism
"HI Jeffrey, thank you for that reply. I am (obviously) not fully informed on the issue. Given the moral weakness of humankind, is it thought that God will or has revoked His permission for us to eat other animals? "
Jan 30
Tim Gier replied to Animal Rights Zone's discussion ARZone Podcast 85: Kim Socha - Animal Liberation and Atheism
"Hi Jeffrey, What context does Genesis 9 need to make it more clear? It seems to me that what the JVNA says it on it's website is exactly the sort of thing that Kim Socha is critical about it: the reinterpreting of the plain text of a document…"
Jan 29
Tim Gier replied to Animal Rights Zone's discussion ARZone Podcast 85: Kim Socha - Animal Liberation and Atheism
"Thanks Richard. I'm always skeptical about claims that human beings need to abandon religion, or overthrow capitalism, or adopt anarchism, or whatever, before real change can happen. It seems to me that such claims boil down, in the end, to the…"
Jan 25
Allen Khorasani replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"Thank you so much for the link, it is a great article, this is so true: "Seeking to protect animals by engaging exclusively in a moral crusade has the effect of removing animals from the political arena and the possibility of enforceable…"
Jun 12, 2014
Allen Khorasani replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"I find the current abolitionist “movement” quit troubling although I don’t worry about it so much as they are marginalizing themselves and becoming irrelevant. It is not only the fact that their method of advocacy is ineffective…"
Jun 6, 2014
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"Dr. Best does understand the structural realities that are in play in ways that I think those who have "moral theories" of animal rights don't. "
Jun 4, 2014
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"HI Carolyn,I like NIck's work, as you know. I think it's crazy for people in the movement to ignore what he's learned about social-psychology and how it can help us to influence the behaviors of others. At the same time, I think Nick…"
Jun 4, 2014
Tim Gier replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"Thanks for reading the post. I think that the toughest part of "creating change" is in the knowing that we don't have very much power at all to change the world. As creatures of evolution, the world changes us - we respond to it in an…"
Jun 4, 2014
Allen Khorasani replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"IMHO, the most comprehensive approach not just to animal right but "total liberation" is proposed by another abolitionist advocate, Dr. Steve Best who does not get enough coverage or credit in the vegan community. I think he has it right.…"
Jun 4, 2014
Carolyn Bailey replied to Tim Gier's discussion It's time to abandon Abolitionism
"You mentioned Nick Cooney and his work a few times, Uptight Primate, have you heard Nick's latest interview with ARZone in which he speaks about his newest book, Veganomics and *THE* abolitionist approach and why he thinks it is ineffective and…"
May 31, 2014
Tim Gier posted a discussion

It's time to abandon Abolitionism

So-called Abolitionist Animal Rights is hindering progress with respect to the treatment by humans of other animals. That is, it is not the case that, on balance, the "Abolitionists" have made things better for non-human animals but, rather, they have delayed the adoption of meaningful reforms that would benefit billions of animals.The "Abolitionist Approach" is such that it demands of all people that they either adopt a strict vegan lifestyle or accept themselves as immoral, or "morally…See More
May 26, 2014
Carolyn Bailey replied to Tim Gier's discussion ARZone Podcast 41: Intersectionality, Internet and Advocacy in a non-Vegan World
"Billy said: My point about cats is just that it is another example of compromises vegans must deal with, not everything about being vegan is easy. Purchasing an ultra-expensive, potentially unhealthy product for cats to eat is one way to deal…"
Mar 24, 2014

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Things You Already Believe

Posted on July 18, 2012 at 22:30 0 Comments

 

You already believe you are a good person who would not want to hurt others.

 

You already believe it is better to be helpful and kind whenever you can.…

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By Eric Schwitzgebel: Moral Reasoning (or the lack thereof?)

Posted on March 3, 2012 at 7:59 5 Comments

Eric Schwitzgebel, Professor of Philosophy at University of California at Riverside, writes a blog called The Splintered Mind. His latest post is about how people do moral reasoning and how that reasoning is affected by seemingly irrelevant things. His findings, even among professional Philosophers, may suprise you....



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By Dale Carrico: Evadeus Corpus: Absenting the Referent in the Meat-Industrial Complex

Posted on March 2, 2012 at 4:51 0 Comments

Dale Carrico, Ph.D. Lecturer, Department of Rhetoric, at the University of California, Berkeley writes at the blog amor mundi. Today's entry talks about "ag-gag" legislation as it relates to Carol Adams conception of the absent referent as well as how the animal-industrial complex devalues and damages human animals along with the non-human…

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The Spectrum of Acceptable Opinion - A Response to Rob Johnson

Posted on January 23, 2012 at 14:30 7 Comments

It seems like Rob Johnson just can’t let go of his obsession with ARZone.

 

On Brandon Becker's Facebook page, Rob Johnson said a number of things that are all equally banal, but I’d like to focus on just this:

Similarly the latest ARZone blog, which I am told Yates was promoting yesterday, is on the fact that they deem ARZone to be successful and so they deem the AR movement to be successful as ARZone supports open debate. There's a famous Chomsky quote that…
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